who killed those people and not the Soviets. Stalin appointed Bordenko as head of the commission. Of course, it gave the conclusion that Stalin wanted.

If you put yourself into Bordenko’s position, you might think that these 21,000 people are dead, and if you don’t want to become dead very soon yourself, you had better say it was the Germans who killed them. But that is a very dangerous logic.

My last example is to imagine these terrible experiments made in German concentration camps. If you go on the least kind of logic, you can say that probably very soon these people will die in the camp anyway, so it is possible to make experiments that you can’t do under normal circumstances. Going one step further, you can say that all of us are mortal and will die, either soon in this camp or later in some other place.

Comment – Did our group say something that contradicts you? What are you not agreeing with? What did we say?

Aluwihare – There have been situations in which scientists may or may not have been pressured into a variety of situations.

What we discussed is that scientists have a responsibility to speak out based on evidence and, if necessary, disagree or fight against the governments that are trying to pressure them. If scientists suffer as a result of having to fight such governments, it should be known that there is a Network that will come to their defense. If that is widely enough known, that could exert a preventive effect on certain governments trying to terrorize their scientists. In fact, it may embolden scientists to speak out and to do what they think is correct on the basis of scientific evidence and not capitulate in doing genetic experiments on people and so on. The integrity and respect of the scientific community may be strengthened by knowing that there are organizations like the Network so that they can actually oppose their government safely. Governments may feel that they need to handle the scientific community with kid gloves because if they don’t, they are going to have a ton of bricks coming down on their heads.

[Torsten Wiesel ended the session by announcing that a reception for Network participants and guests was immediately to follow at the British Academy and would be hosted by the British Academy’s President, Nicolas Mann, and attended by the President of the Royal Society, Lord May, and other officers.]

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