Internet was a big boom! So the question is – but there was a lot of long-term work there.

SCHWARTZ:

One of the places that this diagram begins is decision-makers defining needs. Is a place that this system begins – Recognize we have to have a real client, namely the Department of Defense, Defense Intelligence and so on, do we – It seems to me that one of the important things we have to understand is what is this going to be used for. What do these customers actually want from this information? What they need to know, who needs to know it.

WINARSKY:

These “define needs” is right at up the top. That we surely need.

ZYDA:

So we should have at least one of those.

BOTHEREAU

Peter, you were just posing that.

SCHWARTZ:

Yeah. And it seems to me that we want to begin with a conversation of these --

O’CONNOR:

Who’s paying for this and what do they want?

SCHWARTZ:

We know who’s paying for it but what do they want from it? How do they interact with it? How do they get to participate, what –

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BOTHEREAU:

Should we start answering that question now?

WINARSKY:

This is what – this openness is what I'm constantly stressed – not stressed in a bad way, just stretching my mind in a good way. It isn't the needs of the funders that will make this a success, it’ll be the needs of people to consume and participate –

SCHWARTZ:

A very good point.

WONG:

I think that’s why I think you can almost – sort of on two streams right? You’ve got one stream which is the government side, which is their user base. And you can look at the other stream which is like the public --

SCHWARTZ:

The participants.

WONG:

The participants, the public. And then think about that openness. Because I don't think the government cares that their interpretation to the system is open but I think the public does.

WINARSKY:

And then they interact with each other.

WONG:

Well, they interact or maybe they don't.