Lyons suggested that “maybe by the time you make the elevator speech, it is already too late, because those people you encounter on the elevator have a shutdown moment because they have been taught chemistry in high school and they react to it in a negative way.”

He said that he thinks this is a two-part problem. “Part of the problem is reforming chemistry education from the ground up so that people don’t have that experience. Then maybe you can make some headway on the informal side as well. But without reforming education too, you are always going to have the shutdown moment.”

Carroll thanked Steve and said, “Perhaps we should close for the day by saying reforming chemical education might possibly be the topic of another symposium.”

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