Telephone Interview with Doctoral Alumna Pamela Paul-Shaheen Thursday, August 31, 1995, 9 a.m.

1a. Based on your experience and familiarity with the Pew program, what did the fellowship really accomplish? What are the most important contributions?

In the aggregate, in terms of the totality of the program, the jury is still out. But clearly the program has put a number of people into key policy positions. You can see the success of the program as you look across the spectrum of alumni and the roles that they are playing across the nation, regardless of whether they completed the program totally or not; many have moved into reasonably influential positions. I think what will happen over the course of the next 10 years is that people participating in this program will become part of the core policy network for states and the federal initiative that probably will be taken (post-Republicanism). In that sense if the intent of the program was to train a group of gifted people and allow them an opportunity to develop and move into positions that have key influence over policy, it has accomplished that.

Clearly, for the individuals involved, Pew has created both learning opportunities and incredible networking opportunities. I use many of the people in the Pew network continually, and I'm always amazed as I go through my professional life the people I run into and find out we share the common framework of having gone through the Pew program.

Creating a group of thoughtful individuals who can influence policy has been one of its most important contributions. The proof of that will be even more noticeable in the next 20 years, because, for the most part, its people in their 40s, 50s, and 60s who end up in policy-elite positions, and clearly, if you start with people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s you've got to give them time to move through the system.

1b. What is the Pew ''legacy'' in term of:

  1. health policy?

    The program has successfully put people in the field who have made a contribution to the literature, who have moved into positions of administration, and who have created a more thoughtful environment in terms of decision making. Pew has, at least, expanded the level of talent that's available with good credentials. Look at someone like Larry Patton who has been through the program and is now one



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