Telephone Interview with Stan Wallack Wednesday, August 23, 1995, 10 a.m.

1a. Based on your experience and familiarity with the fellows and the programs, what did we really accomplish? What were the most important contributions?

If we looked at this from the perspective of individual programs, the answers would be very different; after all, they are all very different programs. The orientation, philosophy, and politics at Brandeis are very different from those at the other schools. Michigan was very concerned with public health and methodological issues in terms of evaluating different programs. San Francisco had a very different focus because they were training postdocs who already had good theoretical skills in research. Also, each institution had a very different leadership, with very different people with very different interests. The individuals played very important roles. Looking at each institution individually gives only small parts of the program. It is very important to look at all the programs collectively and say that this was more than any one individual program; it was a set of programs that did different things. The institutions very much dictated how you looked at your program. If you were coming from a medical school, you were looking at the focus from a delivery perspective. Schools of public health look at things from a methodological perspective. We looked at things from policy perspectives. But we were all looking at solutions to problems rather than analyzing problems through our varied focuses.

Most traditional PhD programs are teaching methods and theory. Schools of public health teach a lot of statistics, etc. Health is a problem area. Health policy programs are different in the sense that they focus on the problems trying to find solutions. It is a different niche. The Pew program did do something different in developing people who were in that niche in the 1980s when we all focused on problems and their solutions. It was really appropriate for the time.

1b. What is the Pew ''legacy'' in terms of:

  1. health policy?

    For all these programs the legacy is the people. We have gotten some really committed, interesting people into the program. That's the nice thing about these fellowship programs: people stay around for a long time, and they have real careers and real interests. The issues will change, and the



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