Reshaping the Graduate Education of Scientists and Engineers
APPENDIX F
CALL FOR COMMENTS: SUMMARY OF RESPONSES
The committee solicited comments from more than 1,000 persons: graduate
students, postdoctoral students, professors, university administrators,
industry scientists and executives, and representatives of scientific
societies. More than 100 responses were received, of which about half came
from industry.
The committee noted several trends in the responses. There were general
support for the current concept of PhD education (with a variety of suggestions
for improvement, as outlined below), support for closer ties between the
universities and industry, support for improved student counseling, and
opposition to artificial limits on enrollments.
Although the call for comments was not a formal survey, we thought it would be
useful to summarize the information gathered to indicate the diversity of views
held by those with a stake in the success of our system of graduate education.
EMPLOYER EVALUATION OF PHD TRAINING
Overview
Industry and academic administrators generally responded favorably to the
current concept of PhD training. Most comments affirmed US superiority in
graduate education, but with the observation that there is always room for
improvement. No substantial dissatisfaction was described. The following
statement typifies the general sentiment: "We may see some specific
difficulties in the relationship between academe and the profession it is
intended to serve, but the structure itself is generally sound."
Preparation for Industry
However, some concerns were expressed about the level of additional education
that is needed before recent graduates become fully participatory employees.
Here is an example of a response from one major industrial employer that hires
150-400 advanced-degree people into its laboratories each year from many
universities and in many disciplines:
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Even "the best of the crop" take anywhere from 6 months to 2 years to become
good, productive industrial researchers. Most recent graduates, particularly
those who have not summer-interned, do not have the foggiest idea of what
industrial research is all about. Some even think that using or developing
technology to do something useful is not research and if it is a product that
makes a profit, is even slightly dishonorable.
Preparation for Teaching
Almost everyone expressed support for better preparation of graduate students
for teaching. Respondents generally cited numerous reasons for this
improvement, including the following:
- Students pay high tuition for instruction, and they deserve better. Courses
taught via recitation do not help students learn or graduate students teach.
- It is wrong to assume that anyone working on a PhD is automatically able to
teach.
- Students aiming at careers in academe should take formal teacher-
training
courses to learn pedagogy as well as they learn research.
For example, the following comment is from a graduate dean and provost:
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I have long been concerned about the teaching expectations of graduate
students--all graduate students, not just in the sciences and engineering. How
we can expect that an individual will intuit teaching skills is an amazement.
While teaching is somewhat an art, there are many skills and techniques that
need to be learned before an individual should be turned loose to teach a
course. We do our graduate students no service, and certainly provide no
service to the teachers, if we expect them to function in that capacity.
...They also need to be prepared to be academic advisors. It is not enough to
walk into a class and conduct that experience. If graduate students are to be
teachers, they need to know how to interact outside the classroom with
undergraduate students, providing them the support that they should have during
their undergraduate experience.
This is another:
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The universities are not doing any better in training PhDs for academe either.
Except for the recent initiatives taken by some universities in giving them
pointers on effective teaching, generally their training is in a narrow area of
research and they are faced with on-the-job training.
Master's versus PhD Degrees
Expectations for those with master's degrees and PhDs are slightly different.
Here is an overview from a major company:
In the case of PhDs we are looking for high intelligence and creativity, the
ability to originate and conduct independent research, a research background
involving at least a solid thesis research experience, and the potential
breadth of talent to move from one research field to another. The flexibility
required by the latter point is important to us because we cannot hire new
talent every time we wish to enter new research fields.
We are also looking for excellent communication and interpersonal skills, so
that with proper training they can develop into potential management candidates
both in the research organization and in management positions in our
operations. We have had a good track record in our research organization in
supplying high-caliber talent to our operations.
In the case of MS candidates, we are looking for the same kind of talents,
except we do not expect experience in conducting research.
Changing Environment
Another consistent comment was on the changing environment--in both the
industrial world and the academic world. The following comment is from the
dean at a major graduate school:
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Graduates are not necessarily being well trained to participate in much of our
high educational system as faculty: facilities for front-line research in
sciences are not likely to get less costly. Not many colleges and universities
will be able to afford the kinds of equipment required for faculty to make
significant contributions to science in many areas. If this is true, most
academic PhD positions will be in institutions which do not have essential
facilities for what is viewed by these fields as cutting-edge research. Either
the faculty in such institutions will have to carve out areas of research which
don't rely on expensive equipment, or they will have to change their
expectations of being significant players on the national and international
science scene. It may be that there should be some effort devoted to training
PhDs for research appropriate to those other institutions, either for enhancing
their instructional roles or for providing them with realistic lines of
research.
This is an industry perspective:
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In my judgment, educating and training students to do research as well as
conducting basic research are still the primary objectives of graduate
programs. However, it must be responsive to changing national policies and
industrial needs.... I would agree that the American graduate system has
been/is a great success. However, to ignore the indicators that show change is
needed would be a mistake. Clearly, the challenge ahead is to retain the best
of the system while making the changes that will strengthen the nation's
outstanding research universities and make them more responsive to the nation's
needs.
Yet another comment is the following:
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The days when a person could do a PhD thesis in surface thermodynamics (as I
did) and reasonably expect to work in the field for a career are over--and I
think will never return. One must be ready with the skills to change one's
area of focus several times over a career. Most PhD education is training
people in the exact opposite direction, and I think this needs to be changed
promptly.
Broad versus Specialized Education
Respondents indicated some general concerns about the level of specialized
training some graduates receive:
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Unfortunately, the training the graduates receive in universities is not
directed to any specific career path. Most of the time, after some necessary
training in their background, graduate students are pushed into narrow
specialization. The consequence of such training is that many of them lack the
breadth for work in industry. From what I have seen from the job offers
received by our engineering students, they are successful with relatively less
effort if their research topic and/or their assistantship experience is closely
related to the prospective job description.
And they recommended a broader education for graduate students. One stated,
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we may place a new employee in a position which exploits any special expertise
he/she may have gained in order to provide "a soft landing," but [he or she]
will eventually be called upon to handle a wide range of problems that go far
beyond the training received during the completion of the PhD.
A vice president of an applied-research organization wrote, "Everything else
being equal, individuals with graduate training cutting across areas of
engineering, management and business will turn into better candidates for
employment than more narrowly educated specialists."
But one industry respondent warned, "It's a terrible idea to turn [PhDs] into
some kind of generalists who don't know anything deeply."
Nevertheless, here is a comment from an international corporation:
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Why are industries such as ours not more accepting of PhDs with little or no
experience? Because many fresh PhDs see their research area as their sole
focus, at least for the immediate future. They generally tend to be very
narrow. And, more important, they generally have no meaningful understanding
of the business of business. Some might say that such understanding is
the responsibility of business to provide. I say no. A highly trained
scientist and engineer cannot be very effective if she/he has no knowledge at
all of how a company is organized and why, lacks understanding about the
principal staff and operating functions, is ignorant of the rudiments of
accounting and finance, is unaware of product liability issues that directly
affect product development, etc., etc. Industry cannot be expected to deliver
such training and education in a short period of time. True, with years of
experience working in industry such knowledge is slowly acquired--but it is an
extremely inefficient transfer mechanism. Meanwhile, in the early years when
the new technologist is working without awareness of these forces and boundary
conditions, that person cannot be as effective as she/he otherwise might be.
Careers are throttled.
And this is another:
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Most of the new PhDs that we hire seem to be relatively well prepared for
careers in our organization. I would urge, however, that rather than move
towards increasing specialization, which occurs very early in their training,
the students should be given a broad array of courses in related areas early in
their training. I have the impression that, also from day one in their
program, students are now put into laboratories and given a research project so
that they can develop the knowledge and skills in their specific area of
activity to allow them to complete for grants in the future. However, it has
been my observation that this type of training limits their ability to
participate in multidisciplinary teams that are often necessary in the
industrial setting.
CHANGING THE CURRENT GRADUATE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM
How should this change the current graduate educational system? Respondents
agreed that the apprenticeship system of learning research should be preserved.
At the same time, many in industry expressed a desire for mentors to be more
open to the changing needs of industry. Some professors and administrators
favoring apprenticeship thought that their programs already produced the kind
of flexibility that industry desires. For example, a dean noted, "We must not
change [apprenticeship]... however, ...[it] can also produce a very narrow
specialist who is confined and limited by departmental or disciplinary
perspectives, even though the obvious trend within the sciences is a breaking
down of these barriers and a movement towards greater interdisciplinary
perspective."
Expanded Experiences
There was also a general concern that students need to expand the experiences
they have during graduate school:
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It is our general finding that US graduate schools successfully continue their
tradition of producing well-educated scientists and engineers that are capable
of making important contributions in their chosen fields. We also believe that
the effectiveness of these graduates could be enhanced through practical
("hands-on") experiences/traineeships, functioning as a member of a
(multidisciplinary) team, strengthened interpersonal skills, ability to
communicate clearly the purpose (including the "strategic" value and relevance
of the activity in question), and substantial knowledge of the business
environment/culture (including project management fundamentals,
time/effort/budget deliverables, sensitivity to human resource concerns,
safety, intellectual property, etc.).
Skill Expansion
In general, employers do not feel that the current level of education is
sufficient in providing the following skills and abilities for the people that
they are interested in employing:
- Communication skills (including teaching and mentoring abilities for
academic positions).
- Appreciation for applied problems (particularly in an industrial setting).
- Teamwork (especially in interdisciplinary settings).
For example:
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We look for top-notch technical skills and some evidence of ability to "reduce
to practice" the technologies the candidate has been involved in. If we look
at new graduates, we look for curiosity about and an appreciation for practical
applications of science. As we move away from independent, stand-alone
research, and toward more team projects, we screen and hire candidates based on
their ability to work in teams, to lead collaborations and teams in an
effective way. Skills like project management, leadership, planning and
organizing, interpersonal skills, adaptability, negotiation, written and oral
communication and solid computer knowledge/utilization and critical for an
industrial R&D scientist/engineer. If you walk on water technically but
can't or won't explain or promote your ideas and your science, you won't get
hired. If you do get hired, your career will stall.
GRADUATE-EDUCATION ISSUES
Respondents were also asked about a number of key graduate-education issues.
Limiting Enrollments
Industry and administrators seemed to agreed that limiting enrollments was the
job of market forces; professors disagreed. As a justification of limitations,
they often cited an internal necessity, such as resource or space limitations,
rather than a desire to affect the overall market. An industry respondent
wrote, "Limiting enrollments is a drastic action to take since the law of
supply and demand will usually bring about a correction, albeit several years
out of phase. In a few particular disciplines, e.g., chemical engineering,
limiting enrollment at the PhD level may need to be seriously considered." A
dean wrote:
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I would be hard pressed to argue that the world can ever have too many persons
trained in the methods of inquiry.... The experience of students graduating
with PhDs in the humanities in the 1970s showed us that good minds well trained
will find a way to make a difference in places that didn't even know they
needed or wanted PhD holders. Such may be the case with science and
engineering....
This is from a graduate adviser:
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I am skeptical about the utility of attempts to manage enrollment; it is
simply too hard to predict what is appropriate, let alone optimal. We at [our
university] have been asked to control graduate enrollment, but I suspect that
the real controls are still market mechanisms.
Time to Degree
There was nearly uniform agreement that the time to degree completion or
initial employment is becoming longer. Many respondents favored shortening the
time to degree, but others noted that adding teacher training, minor degrees,
and other projects for graduate students could add to the time to degree and
make it less easy to identify. A dean remarked, "It is not clear that 7 to 12
years of graduate work is either required or appropriate for most positions in
business or industry."
National Goals
A question about national goals for graduate education drew a common response:
there are none. A common impression was that graduate education, though
considered the "best in the world," is generally rudderless without the
external stimuli of the type provided, for example, by Sputnik and the Cold
War. A professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology wrote, "The problem
is one of national focus and goals and not the education to support them.
There does not seem to be a unifying technological endeavor or an idealized
goal with technological underpinnings, to inspire our students and engender
popular support."
Conclusion
In conclusion, the themes of the anecdotal information collected via the
committee's call for comments indicates that although employers are generally
pleased with the result of US graduate education, they have some specific
concerns as to the breadth, versatility, and skill development in that
education. Furthermore, they are concerned that the graduate education system
as it exists today--although acceptable for the past employment world--is less
and less acceptable in today's more global world.
INTERESTING IDEAS
Many interesting ideas were suggested by the respondents, and they are
summarized below. The committee did not have the resources to evaluate all
suggestions fully, so it presents them here for further thought and discussion.
They are divided into three categories: career preparation, information needs,
and funding. Each is summarized as action items and advice for universities,
industry, students, and the federal government.
After the responses were received, the committee decided to conduct a separate
survey on information needs; a summary of the survey results is provided in
Appendix G.
Career Preparation
Universities should
- Initiate more collaborative arrangements with employers.
- Initiate more opportunities for research programs in association with
industry.
- Eliminate tenure so that diverse teams of full-time and adjunct faculty can
work together.
- Elevate manufacturing to the same level as the arts.
- Enrich the science and engineering curriculum to include training in
interpersonal communication, technical writing, team skills, business-process
management, accounting, and competitive assessment.
- Seek industrial appointments and sabbaticals for their faculty.
- Require that graduate students who teach be supervised on their first
assignment by persons who can give them advice feedback on style and method.
- Help students to complete their education expeditiously.
- Continue to train research scientists of the highest caliber.
- Replace half the PhD candidates' course load for the first year with some
form of apprenticeship.
Industry should
- Provide more internships in which academic fundamentals can be applied in
real-world problems.
- Seek persons who have the ability to conceptualize, apply, develop, and
continuously improve processes or products that can be sold at a profit.
- Support more "centers of excellence" to eliminate duplication of effort.
Industry is looking for
- Persons trained and specialized in the traditional scientific disciplines
who can integrate skills with science.
- Persons with good writing skills.
- University-trained graduate students who are knowledgeable about safety,
quality, statistics, and communication and who have good interpersonal
skills.
- Highly technical employees and general managers.
- Persons who can negotiate with, work with, and lead others on a team
(broadly trained scientists).
- Persons who can originate and conduct independent research.
Students should
- Take courses dealing with "applied interdisciplinarianism."
- Take a minor and more courses outside their specialties.
- Submit a proposal detailing the plans for their primary research efforts.
Information Needs
Universities should
- Collect benchmarking data to monitor the quality of approved programs and to
try to satisfy hiring patterns of employers who regularly draw from particular
program.
- Improve student counseling so that those planning PhD in the basic sciences
understand, in advance, what the government gauges as appropriate for a PGY1
PhD salary.
- Assess the needs for professors and doctoral-level industrial personnel,
translate the results of this assessment into a set of goals, and design
strategies to achieve the goals.
- Offer students some comment about job prospects and frank cautions where job
prospects are poor, as in physics. Disclosure of programs' completion rates
and completion times would help prospective students to make informed
choices.
Funding
Universities should
- Reduce their size by establishing quality criteria for doctoral programs.
- Refocus their funds through wider use of fellowships than of institutional
grants.
- Provide adequate preparation of scientist by using methods that do not
depend on external funding sources. Dependence of doctorates in the sciences
on external (federal) funding makes programs vulnerable.
- Stop defending lower quality programs--some institutions are better prepared
to deliver first-class PhD education.
- Bring the cost of graduate research assistants in line with the cost of
laboratory technicians.
- Improve teaching by establishing a policy that senior graduate students can
apply for federal grants to supplement their support and in exchange teach
graduate courses.
The federal government should
- Grant more fellowships directly to students, which would separate financial
support from the research process.
- Set guidelines so that no professor can be funded for more than five
research assistantships; this would curtail empire building and encourage
collaboration.
- Create a category of funding open to all faculty members, regardless of
seniority.
- Restrict the number of foreign students on federal grants; this would force
institutions to look inward for their supply of graduate students and make more
of an effort to coach them.
- Levy a surtax on employment of foreign graduate students, i.e., require more
money for scholarship funds for each foreign student used.
- Eliminate NSF graduate fellowships and redirect the money to research
funding. Their fellowships are outdated and send the erroneous message to
students that the nation needs more scientists.
- Provide, with state governments, financial support for advanced graduate
students to visit public universities and liberal-arts colleges for one
semester as professorial interns.
Industry should
- Help to change the science and engineering culture by setting aside a small
amount of R&D money for internships for graduate students.
- Cooperate with funding agencies in preparing and reviewing requests for
proposals without requiring rights to intellectual property as long as there is
no direct monetary support.
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